Jagex Inadequacies Created Runescape Fan Sites
I think way back to 2001 when I first stated playing Runescape, back when being able to smith rune was a dream yet to be accomplished by any player, back in a time where tutorial island didn’t exist…
Runescape was in its infancy and the resources available for struggling players were few and of relatively poor quality. There were so many services players were screaming out for yet Jagex was simply unable to provide – Runescape skill guides, quest guides, forums, calculators, tips, general help etc. This inability to provide the most basic help was the catalyst for the formation of many Runescape help sites many of which are still in existence today.
Now I know Runescape is a popular game in its own right, but I can’t help but feel that with the aid of Runescape fan sites, players became more entrenched in the game as they progressed and I have no doubt as a result were more loyal to the game. There are people at fan sites that haven’t played Runescape actively in years but still talk about the game and occasionally jump on as well as try to provide a service for those looking for Runescape help. So it always annoys me when Jagex feel the need to badmouth the very sites that served their game for so long, and still continue to do so only by the tireless dedication by some of Runescape’s most long serving and loyal players. I wonder if there will ever be a day where Jagex publicly recognize Runescape fan sites or the service they have provided the game?
What do you think of Jagex’s stance on non association with Runescape fan sites? Do you think Runescape would be the game it is today without the support of such Runescape fan sites?
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June 27th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
Jagex sincerely is poor right now. Why can’t they just look at professional players and check their fan-sites and actually acknowledge them!? Jagex needs to get their act straight.
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Flummoxer Says:June 28th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
They do it to cover their asses from possible litigation. It’s their prerogative… I don’t really care to be honest.
Anon. Says:June 29th, 2007 at 5:14 am
They can’t support fansites outright because then they would be legally bound and if, for example, someone hacked tip.it and inserted a trojan or something Jagex would be liable for any losses.
Chris Says:June 29th, 2007 at 9:43 am
There is nothing stopping them from simply putting a legal disclaimer absolving them from liability of any damaged caused as a result of visiting the website they are linking to. Plus I’m pretty sure that linking to a site with malicious content does not make you liable anyway unless you control that site.
aly. Says:September 5th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Rather late to be posting a reply, but anyway.
I beg to differ.
(I’m just copying and pasting a response I made about this on external forums. Wastes time, otherwise.) I personally don’t actively support help sites, even as I don’t actively oppose them. The simpler articles as, say, what are the materials you bring to the oracle for the map piece, where’s a safe spot to mage lessers from, what are the best ways to train any given skill at different levels… those, by right, are things that are best discovered on your own. Following a skill guide takes most of the challenge out of it. (/pasting)
That’s why I’m generally apathetic towards help sites, as opposed to fan sites. Fan sites provide players with a community. Fan sites such as this explain thoughts on relevant issues. Help sites, on the other hand, spoonfeed players information they shouldn’t have.
Perhaps the area guides and guides explaining skills were necessary in the early days of runescape. Now, however, they patently are not. Jagex has their own resources - a knowledge base. They don’t give out information about quests, nor do they explain things like the best way to level skills. They dispense knowledge, but not knowledge born of experience.
Experience and knowledge are two distinct things.
Experince, I feel, should be earned, no more, and no less. That’s why I tried my best never to search out help sites as a new player. I wanted to go about playing the game as it was meant to be played, and help sites do make that impossible. People complain about Jagex pampering new players with the new updates, myself included. Why is it that they don’t complain about guides on help sites?
Those pamper players more than any updates to the game ever could, by virtue of the simple fact that they pamper older players, as well. There is, in effect, a flow of pampering, from players new to the game to players simply too impatient to take five minutes to figure out a quest for themselves. Help sites transcend level boundaries.
That’s why no one complains about them - they’ve all used those guides at one time or another, themselves.
I have, as well. It’s something I’ve sincerely regretted.
My opinion of most creators and contributors to help sites therefore, is that they are generous and caring individuals who nonetheless are unconsciously self-indulgent and should choose another outlet to which they should direct their energy. It is good to help people, yes. Still, confine your efforts to what you do ingame. It’s destroying the spirit of the game - the spirit of helping others, rather than directing them to another dime-a-dozen help site.
Jagex’s past inadequacies created fan sites, but Jagex’s present and future inadequacies do not sustain them.
If I could be so bold as to say, do away with fan sites, I would. I do not in respect of the time and effort people have poured into their sites, no more.
I would venture to say that Jagex does not acknowledge fan sites not for any legal reasons, but for the simple reason that fan sites give information that they do not want legitimate players, true players of the game, to have.
It’s an expression of acknowledgement in itself that Jagex does not contact owners of fan sites asking for them to remove relevent sections. After all, a large propotion of those guides constitute malicious content.
Yuri Says:September 14th, 2007 at 1:20 am
One of the main reasons why Jagex don’t support fan sites actively? Just look at your own menu bar on the top of this page: ‘ Money Making’ and ‘Cheats’ are a direct contradiction to the game’s rules (and pretty much contradict every serious MMO out there, where a multiplayer community should do its best to avoid cheaters and money scammers / real traders).
I don’t think Jagex has any sort of problem with sites that provide players with advice, guidance and background information. The problem is that very few sites stop there. Sooner or later they begin to rant about how something ‘its community’ demands but is not implemented, or incur in stupid ideas as real world trading — just as this very site is doing or plans to do by the look of things.
Sad.
AnswerMan Says:October 6th, 2007 at 2:51 am
I would love to jump on the “figure it out yourself” bandwagon, BUT…
but the game is in cyberspace and runs on “if… then… ONLY…” logic…
but many required actions are counter-intuitive …
(Would you like milk with your tea? Pour BUCKET [!!!] into teacup!)
but I didn’t have to PAY an I S P to play D & D…
None of JAGEX’s customers pays to be frustrated, and some are little kids.
bow Says:If there were more than just “one right way” to get things done, or if there were something like moderators to help in-game (”escape lagging mime”), then
perhaps no-one would need a help site written in QWESTCODE (TM).
February 4th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Runescape has been set up with hardly any ways to contact them if there is a problem and the main Jagex site is even worse! they should be ashamed of themselves. pay us money but we don’t want to talk to you, we’re too good for that! Blow up runescape, selfish ignorant old men!
Anon. Says:March 21st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
i know that now they have quest help, it is much easier to play runescape.Quest help is also stoped people knowing to much per 24 hours because you have pints restricting you from knowing to much about how to do quests.
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eric Says:April 9th, 2008 at 5:56 am
ok ok ok u guys r not getting the point jagex is also strict cuz if u say something mean to a player they can sue the website for the person lyable fror cursing unless they have rules saying no curse and the person could SUE YOU! and so there also ignerent but im just saying they made the game for UR MONEY! THEY DONT CARE WHAT U WANT UNLESS U PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
s connolly Says:April 23rd, 2008 at 6:09 pm
did you know that minors (under 18 years) cannot be sued on contracts! so even though ‘jagex’ have a ‘contract’ with it’s members that is unenforceable in english law if you are under 18!! - Wayne rooney was able to leave his first ‘agents’ because he was only 15 years when he signed up with them…….
1337 piro Says:so when jagex threatens to sue children they are bluffing. They are also bluffing when they say they are worried about being sued for contents of sites over which they have no control - complete tosh!!!!!
April 29th, 2008 at 3:59 am
Connolly, the law in the US is rather similar, a contract, even if signed by the person, cannot be enforced if they are not 18 years of age or older.